![]() 02/03/2014 at 11:53 • Filed to: QOTD, oppositelock | ![]() | ![]() |
The
F-Series
sold 763,402 units in 2013. It was the best selling vehicle in the US. The Silverado took 2nd place at 480,414 units (about 80k more than the Toyota Camry I think), and the
RAM
was at 355,673 trucks. These three vehicle models make up a little over 10% of all US auto sales for 2013. Why do we buy so many trucks?
Edit: As made evident by Raphael and my inability to read and comprehend, the sales figures were for the F-Series, Silverado and RAM, not just a particular variant (F150, RAM 1500, etc.).
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I say it's because of the Ram 1500. RCR actually makes a really great point here.
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Because we can.
(Full disclosure: I've never owned a truck.)
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Can you get any of those states broken down by the type of truck? I'm sure fleet sales account for a good chunk. As well more blue collar workers are likely to have trucks over cars due to their jobs (construction, hauling stuff, etc).
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Cause we're #1
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because we work fu! Can't build up this mofo without trucks
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i have a truck because i do man things with heavy bits of metal and large pieces of wood. my truck is old, has no electronics, or temperature control, and gets no miles to the gallon because i'm cheap & easy.
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The F150 didn't sell that high, the F-Series did. Ford lumps in all the other F250, F350 whatevers into that sales figure.
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Not to avoid your question, but what are the figures for the Sierra? I thought I remembered an FP author saying that if the Sierra and Silverado sales are combined, it's right up there with Ford. Who knows, I've drank since then. I'm not a fan boy, just legitimately curious and too lazy to search myself.
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Because nobody makes actual full sized sedans anymore.
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No - I saw these numbers in an article and didn't investigate further.
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Because inexpensive, RWD, high seating position so small people feel safe, "my dick is bigger than yours," V8's available, 4x4 is also available, gas is cheap compared to elsewhere in the world, "FUCK YOU I WONT DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!," take your pick.
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So they can look manly.
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Because... 'MURRICA
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Because towing a car with a car on a 1 ton trailer is pretty absurd on its face.
Also because taking things to the track is much easier.
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In the west, where I live, it is an essential tool for many. I used mine when I traveled and explored. Don't travel for work any more but I love to explore.
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Because there are 3 big options in the truck market and approximately 10 billion in the sedan/xover.
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kinda, but mostly because work
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I did an informal study on vehicles bought in my corner of BC, Canada. Work vehicles made up a great deal because they need to buy new trucks twice a year because most of the mine and logging trucks don't make 50,000km. The average person buys a truck every 5 years for personal, so the bulk of the buying somes from industry. Weather is a huge factor too, you don't want a Camry when it snows or when you are about to hit an elk. Fuel is also cheaper in the US so its not so bad as here in Canada, even though we buy just as many trucks. I mean its just a small sample but it might have some similarities.
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I will explain why in list form:
Fleet sales. Trucks are built for work, and companies that need work vehicles buy trucks. Lots of trucks.
A crew cab can move a family of four and all their stuff in great comfort for pretty cheap.
Immensely more practical than a wagon, crossover, or SUV.
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Because we are morons...that is all
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Also, you can buy a single-cab F150 with a Coyote 5.0L V8, 4WD, and the long 8' bed for just over $30,000 before incentives. That's a lot of vehicle for the money.
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Trucks just are America. That's all there is to it.
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The "Immensely more practical than a wagon (...)" part is debatable though, as it's only true for a certain percentage of people. I know in my lifestyle, and that of most other city dwellers, a wagon is vastly more practical than a pickup truck.
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Well there's Toyota and Nissan and...uh...huh. Guess that's it.
Note: Suzuki is dead and Honda doesn't make a damn truck.
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Why is it debatable? You have that large open space in the back to haul things in. A wagon's cargo capacity is limited by the roof; the pickup truck does not have that problem.
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Taking into account the 35% (assumed, 2012 was 32% in the first quarter ), that still leaves almost 500,000 Ford F150s sold to non-fleet customers.
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And that lack of roof is both a benefit and a problem. I'd have to cover things up for when it rains (which is often here), the load wouldn't be secure when I park it some place and I have to take extra care things are secured tightly when I drive it on a highway (as in, at higher speed).
I'm not saying a truck can't be immensely more practical to some, but it's just not true for everyone out there. Especially not when you're an individual living in a city.
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because we can drive heavier vehicles, other countries have to go light, because they will set off the anti tank mines
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Fleet sales are about a third of overall F150 sales. That still leaves about 500,000 trucks.
After growing up in the back seat of a Silverado I call BS. Trucks are miserable for kids to ride in.
Agreed, depending on bed treatments.
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You've never tried to transport bodies in a hatchback have you?
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The F150 does make up most of those sales, but yeah, it does include the heavy-duty models as well.
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Sounds like someone had a half door backseat instead of the full 4 door.
The full 4 door you might as well be in a suburban in the back seat.
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No idea. I didn't know anyone was silly enough to pay and extra $2,500 to change the Chevrolet badge to a GMC badge.
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Danke.
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True, but after being a passenger in a 2013 suburban a week ago I still say it'd be miserable.
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lol. Now you're being silly, of course you did.
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Would Mafia sales count as fleet sales?
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That's why I said 'big options'.
I bet if they made the Sprinter and the Nissan NV line in more comfortable higher trim packages that people could daily drive you'd see them take a chunk out of the truck sales.
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What do you mean?
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So 1.5M people needed a new truck to tow a car last year? Damn.
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They are a genuine business and do file taxes.
I suppose so.
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Really? I find the back seats quite spacious/comfortable.
I like my wife's commander because of the "theatre" style elevated seating in the back though.
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Rain is a much bigger issue in western Europe than in the USA, unless it's Ohio, but lots of trucks come with bed covers and tie-downs for tarps, so you have the option of a covered or uncovered cargo space depending on your needs that day.
As for the air turbulence in the bed, if the cargo has a greater density than Styrofoam, it won't fly out on the highway. There's even a substantial dead air spot right behind the cab.
As for secured cargo, most people with trucks load up something, drive somewhere, then unload it, so security doesn't really come up as an issue.
I do agree that a wagon would be better in a compact city, just because it's not a large body-on-frame vehicle, but there are lots of places in the world that are not compact cities.
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If you buy the half back seat, it is about like a BRZ. In a full cab, it's like sitting in the back of a Town Car; fantastic.
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Two reasons.
One is fleet sales. I'm military and it seems like 90% of our GOV fleet is trucks. The rest is Sonatas and Malibus for commander cars. The vast majority, in every unit, is F150-350. My base is small but I'd say we have about 200-300 F series trucks. We have a few (well, "few" meaning 100 or so) Rams, mostly for CE plumbing/electricians/public health, etc. It seems if your job dictates that you need a box installed in lieu of a bed, they go with Rams. Everything else is Fords. We have a few Chevys running around, but mo current generation models.
Another is practicality. For 90% of my driving, the difference between a truck and my BMW is when I'm in my bmw I can't see past the truck in front of me. Everything's the same - 5 seats, leather, Nav, Xenon, etc etc. My BMW has a trunk which is a joke compared to the "trunk" of a truck.
Other than gas mileage, what is the benefit to picking a car over a truck? Does it ride better than a truck? Not really anymore, especially with Ram's new coil springs. Is it faster? They both go 75, that's all I need. Does it get better mileage? Sure.
What are the advantages of a truck over a car? I sit higher. I can tow stuff if I need to. I can bring a dishwasher or refrigerator home. I don't have to play Tetris with my baby's crap - throw it in the bed and be done. I get selectable 4WD. Trucks are pretty cheap.
It's a no brainer for me.
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It felt like sitting on a slab of granite with a leather surface. Also broad flat unsupportive seats :/
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Oh so it's a seat issue. I thought it was a spaciousness issue.
That's a shame. they should get to work on that.
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Well space was less of an issue than the awful seat. Plus as a kid you can't sleep comfortably without leaning your head on the window.
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There use to exist large sedans (and big wagons) that could easily carry 4-6 people and all their luggage. These with the death of the panther (even the panther was a bit small) these type of large sedans no longer exist. Try comfortably fitting 5 people in a Camry with a weeks worth of luggage - not possible.
So consumers can't get the sedan they once had, and are now faced with buying a SUV or a pickup. I believe that some of the market share gain of pickups can be attributable to this substitution effect.
Another phenomenon at play has to do with the recent advent of the crew cab. Before the 90's crew cab pickups were limited to special order fleet purchases. So a family that needed a truck would also have to buy a sedan. This has quickly changed, and people have been able to eliminate the need for a sedan and keep the "work" attributes of the truck in one vehicle.
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Honestly no one was ever supposed to fit 6 people in a Camry. That was a job for the Avalon. I see what you're saying though, as I can't think of a single sedan that can still seat six (and can only barely sit 5).
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Has something to do with CARFE standards I think, a small truck is a better sell than a big car from a car manufacturers perspective.
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Alright I'll give you that one then!
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WE NEEEEEEED THEM!!!!!
What if it snows!?
What if i want to carry home my new refrigerator!?
WHAT IF MY PENIS IS REALLY SMALL!?
WE NEEEEED THEMMMMMMM!!!!
(this is for all trucks, not just pick ups)
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Because 'Murica.
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Because RAM makes the only RWD, Manual, Diesel vehicle in America.
And if you get to buy a car as a work truck and write off mileage, I can't think of anything else I'd rather have than a nice plush F150 King Ranch. It's as nice as a Cadillac but doesn't scream "I charge too much for my services" as pulling up in a comparably-priced German sedan does. Oh, and they can go anywhere
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I'm sure that obsure fact helped RAM place 5th in overall US sales.
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Because the gas mileage on a vehicle that can suit a family as well as a crew cab truck can isn't a whole helluvalot better than the actual crew cab truck...so if you need both, why buy both?
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Pickup/SUV drivers get a lot of shit for not actually needing a truck. I think that's bullshit. Everyone I know with a truck uses it for truck things on at least a semi-regular basis. Go to Glamis over Thanksgiving weekend, and there will be literally tens of thousands of trucks there. The same trucks that hybrid drivers in LA and San Diego bitch about their owners not needing. But think about it. Toy hauling, boating, off-roading of every description, hunting, fishing, moving, camping, exploring/adventuring, geocaching, being in a band, skiing/boarding, surfing, riding motorcycles, mountain biking, owning a race/show car, owning horses or other livestock, having a job where you need to move lots of shit, having a job where you need to get to remote places, or just generally needing to move a lot of stuff or trailer anything. These are things that an enormous percentage of Americans do, and any one of them is a legitimate reason to own a truck or SUV. Basically, we live in a big, badass country with lots of awesome shit to do that requires bringing a bunch of stuff from one place to another or going places inaccessible by roads, and a truck is usually the right tool for the job.
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Fine. Don't appreciate my little-known facts.
The real fact is that Americans buy trucks because fuel is cheap, they run forever, every shade-tree mechanic knows how to work on them, they go anywhere, Uncle Sam pays for their gas when used for business, they're comfy, they can tow, and because they're American designed/built. Make fuel more expensive and people will stop buying as many trucks, it's as simple as that.
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Another factor (which also applies to SUV's): The dearth of useful trailer tow capacity for non-truck/SUV platforms in the US.
There was a time when you could buy a full-size family sedan that could also tow upwards of 7,000 pounds. This meant the daily family hauler could also be used for the big camping vacation, or to move a boat.
For a variety of reasons, OEM's started reducing car tow capacities (the decline of the Panther platform rating - when the structure of the car didn't change - is particularly disheartening). I believe one big driver behind this trend is simple economics: Better dealer profit margins on trucks and SUV's.
Meanwhile, look at the towable RV market in Europe: They use cars and small SUV's to tow surprisingly large campers. A look at Subaru tow capacities in Europe and North America (similar models are available in both markets) is enlightening. The European model generally gets a tow capacity that is about double its US counterpart.
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That's it for at least 50%. Insecurity, need to project a big powerful presence on the road, the need to compensate for something that's lacking (upstairs or in the pants).
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What! i love riding back seat in the newer gen (pre 2014) burban/hoes. You must not have gotten in one with them rear heated seat captains chairs. Ill admit they are a bit firm, but arent all new seats a tad bit firm?
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It seated 8 and I imagine the other 5 passenger seats were just as bad as mine.
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Because huge chunks of America are flat as a pancake covered in curveless roads so handling is not an issue.
Some people have the completely misguided idea that they are safer than cars (They aren't and it isn't even close).
A small percentage of buyers actually use trucks for truck stuff and a large percentage of truck buyers want to look like those people on their way to the mall. Chuck E Cheese trips can be really emasculating after a long week of sucking your bosses ass at the office. A big red off road badge on the quarters of a truck go a long way to helping a guy feel better. Plus you get to put your wheels up on a curb so your kids can go "oooooh!"
The best part is the drivers Jr Big Rig awesomeness will compel him to back into his parking spot for no reason whatsoever. This is all but guaranteed to limit access to one of the neighboring cars doors because the move is nearly always executed poorly.
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I'm not sure about combining the two, but the Sierra is around 20th for 2013, depending on which site you look at.
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The answer is simply this:
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Ahhh okay, its the 8 seater. So its got 2 benches. Find one with captains chairs, world of a difference.
Also, i spent half my life in the back bench seat of a 99 burban, and i have no complaints.
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This! Large sedans used to have heavy duty drivetrains and could handle a load of people and a large trailer. I sold my '05 Yukon XL 2500 when I got my '73 Buick running well after a few years missing an engine. The '73 Buick can tow anything I need the truck for. I'm working on the A/C, and it gets the same if not better milage than the '05 Yukon.
The reason I had the Yuk in the first place was... hmm. Well I got the 2500 because I thought my family would like trailer camping. Turns out they didn't very much so I don't need to worry about towing a camper. I've had 'trucks' for as long as I can remember. Usually to tow something heavy, like my car trailer.
Before the '05 Yukon I had a '96 1 ton Chevy van. Before that was an '86 3/4 ton suburban. I wanted the HD chassis for the brakes. But I've since improved the electric brakes on my car trailer, so that's not a big deal anymore either.
2013 was my first full year without a HD truck in the stable since.. 1991? 92 maybe?
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A Camry is not a 'large sedan'. Think Caprice, Panthers, etc. My '73 Buick LeSabre seats 6. When I was in high school we had 10 in it at one point without being too squished. (ahh back when people didn't mind sitting on other people's laps in the car!)
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I definitely have taken my '73 Buick on a trip with 6 passengers and a week's worth of luggage. No problem at all fitting everything in the trunk and everybody in the car.
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After 25 years of driving and 15+ cars, I made the mistake last year of buying a pickup(crew cab). I don't know what I was thinking. Handle like crap, difficult to park, breaking sucks, drive solo 99% of the time, have never pulled anything, etc. The only thing I've liked about it is tailgating with it. Dumbest auto buying decision I've made.
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Very cool. Do you have many pictures of your Buick on Oppo? Would love to see some land yacht action!
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http://www.insure.com/ir/releases/at…
Hmm.
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Because we can.
Because we want to.
Because we work with them.
Because we have roads and off road areas that will support them.
Because we now have enough of our own gas to keep the prices reasonable.
But mostly just because we want to.
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Bought my first truck (Toyota Tundra) when I built my first race car. After 10 years of truck ownership, I gotta say I like it. It is comfortable to drive anywhere, takes a beating, requires very little maintenance, goes pretty fast, and handles better than I expected. The practicality of a truck would be hard to give up. That said, when I am not hauling I usually drive a Miata or a BMW 2002, because I enjoy it and I would rather be sportcar or vintage car guy than truck guy.
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So you drive a Prius? Ride a bike? Walk? You must drive something that makes more sense than a truck that you can use as a truck or a car.
Tell me your issue with trucks. It better be good, because "small dick syndrome" and "wasteful" are the issues of an idiot.
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And why do people drive nice cars? Why do people keep their cars nice looking? Same issues I imagine. You must drive a 92 Corolla, huh?
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I wasn't trying to offend anyone. I'm disappointed to hear someone insulting me, let alone another Saab enthusiast.
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Why would you drive a convertible? Why would you need any more than 100hp? why would you need to go faster than 70? Why would you need to have a car that handles well, on the street? Why would you drive a Subaru with wasteful AWD? Why would you drive anything but a Prius?
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Don't logicize shit. Logic is a foreign concept to folks just out to hate.
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You can be as insulted by logic as you wish.
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Is 10% really that many?
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10% isnt that much.
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Because we're 2free4u.
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No, I drive a jetta TDI wagon with a rack and its does 99% of what I need it to do. Granted, some people do need them for work, although I suspect its much less than those who say they actually use them for work. At least where I live, Orange County, its more of a cultural status symbol than anything to do with real work. How do I know that?
Most of them look like this:
or this
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So because they like something other than what you like they are qualified as morons?
Whatever, dude.
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Hahaha!
Exactly!
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...until it rains.
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I think the short answer is "because a lot of people need them". Now, I know what you're about to say: "EVERYWHERE I GO I SEE EMPTY TRUCKS DRIVEN BY INSECURE BROS!", but a majority of the trucks sold really do become work vehicles, even if you don't see them because you don't work in one of those professions. If all those trucks weren't on the road, shoring up the manly image of the Hard Workin' Workin' Man Who Works Hard, the bros wouldn't be buying trucks to buy into that image.
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I've owned a body-on-frame SUV, a pickup, a sports car, and a hatchback. The least practical was the sports car, but the truck was runner-up. There were a handful of times that I took advantage of the bed and used it to haul tree trunk sections, mulch, gravel, or whatnot, but for every one of those times there were at least 10 that I missed the SUV's covered storage and passenger space. I moved everything I owned in both vehicles a few times. 1000 miles at 70 mph will destroy any tarp, no matter how well you strap it down.
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Exactly! glad you understand!
That was sarcasm by the way!
Thanks for the epic troll. No, what makes them morons is taking a perfectly good tool, the truck incase you missed that, designed by hundreds of engineers who spent countless hours and dollars to learn an incredibly complex discipline and then slapping on some terribly "engineered" lift kit or heating the springs to lower it and in one fell swoop rendering it unable to do the very thing it was designed to do, namely work. I dont have a problem with people modifying things to suit their tastes necessarily, what I have a serious problem with is people making things worse on purpose to pretty much give a big "FUCK YOU" to the rest of the public, lets not even start talking about the obvious safety issues that arise with the truck picture above, tell me they aren't morons when they lose control or roll on the freeway. Not to mention drivers of raised trucks generally try to use the size of their vehicles to intimidate other drivers on the road.
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That is all bullshit guesswork on your part. You gotta hate, so hate brother.
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Take a 10% pay cut and let me know how much it is ;)
But really, just three model lines making up 10% of auto sales in the US is very impressive, considering you still have to consider all of Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Lexus, Infinity, Honda, Acura, Audi, VW, Mercedes, etc. as well as the passenger cars from Chrysler, Dodge, Ford, Lincoln (lol), Chevrolet, Cadillac, Buick, etc.
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Yep.
Just three lines of trucks make up for 10% of all US auto sales. Remember that total number also includes everything sold by Toyota, Honda, BMW, Audi, VW, Mercedes, Ford's passenger cars, the rest of GM, Chrysler and Dodge, Porsche, etc. It's quite the market share for just three vehicle lines.
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I know a Camry isn't a large sedan, but FJ80 used it as an example. Trust me I know about large sedans - can you guess how many people fit into a '72 Catalina?
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Now it all makes sense.
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large people buy large trucks.
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How is that guess work? How about you add to the conversation rather than trying to be the "good" guy?
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So the question is, why do the americans tow stuff so much more than the rest of the world?